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Evangelical christians shouldn't be allowed to vote, on account of not being able to think for themselves, making catastrophic decisions throughout their lives and being the base of the vast majority of evil and suffering in the world. it's terrible that they can indeed vote and i blame them entirely for the horrible state america is currently in.

Democracy's a bitch, isn't it?

Brianface you simply can't be seriously suggesting the removal of evangelicals from the electoral process. You make a curious point. Very odd.

And people can't understand why Americans ignore what others in foreign countries have to say to them.

While a number of American Evangelicals (and Fundamentalists (both are not the same thing), and others of similar beliefs) are woefully ignorant of many things, the same can be applied to many of those who don't hold their views as well. Many Americans are ignorant regardless of their ideology.

The solution should not be to rule them out of voting, the solution should be to inform them about what's going on.

And, no, I don't consider Brianface and Richard Dawkins to be representatives of the typical Briton or foreigner.

I have great respect for Rick Warren and Saddleback church here in Southern California; I've been impressed by the church when I've visited before. I thought this was one of the most revealing and most constructive TV pieces done with the candidates before, and the warmth of the reception for both candidates leads me to think that, in evangelicalism as elsewhere in America, it's either man's presidency.

Obama revealed the riches of his moral philosophy - abortion is okay because women don't do it casually.

Presumably bank robbers and terrorists are okay as well, because they don't do it casually.

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"Above my pay grade" - I think that will become the sound-bite of the campaign - the slogan moment that does for Obama - like when John Kerry did that stupid salute and said "my name's John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty" or when Ted Kennedy said "what girl in the car, I was at a party".

My favourite part: asking the candidates what level of income would classify someone as rich. Obama betrayed his obsessiveness with interfering in the lives of citizens with his answer that $250,000 or more is rich and $150,000 or less is poor. On this basis he plans to continue and extend the forcible redistribution of wealth by government. Contrast that with McCain, who says he won't tax anybody more than anybody else, that he wants everybody to be successful. BING! Right answer, John.

We have GOT to have a similar debate at the Metropolitan Tabernacle for the next assembly elections.
For sheer comic value, it would be priceless.

GV

GV- I'd pay an entry fee for that.