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From Cape Town and Dover they came... (74)

The outskirts of Paris, Tuesday - 鈥淐onfidence,鈥 sang Elvis - 鈥淭here's no job too immense when you've got confidence.鈥

While was a hero to most, he never meant squit to me. But, as I鈥檝e strolled around in the last few days, the words of the be鈥檘uiffed porker have rung in my ears time and time again.

If there鈥檚 a Springboks fan out there who isn鈥檛 completely and utterly 100% certain that his side will win the World Cup on Saturday night, I鈥檝e yet to meet them.

So sure are they of victory that it鈥檚 as if the match will be called off by supplicating officials the moment they arrive at the Stade de France, with the William Webb-Ellis trophy handed to them on a giant silver salver by a boot-kissing Brian Ashton to prevent the slaughter of his weak-limbed innocents.

South African rugby fans

The list of reasons is as long as : , , the dominance of the line-out, the form of Fourie Du Preez, the dead-eye kicking of and, above all, the unanswerable fact of that at the same stadium just four weeks ago.

England shouldn鈥檛 have a hope in hell against South Africa. But they do, and it鈥檚 all because of one thing: the unmistakable air of unblinking belief emanating from their re-born squad.

England had no chance against Australia. They didn鈥檛 have much of a chance against France. But, somehow, a team in pieces and came through.

From impossible victories comes . And this England team now has belief by the bucketload.

Now, a man should be wary of reading too much into Elvis lyrics.

鈥淲hen everyone thought the world was flat鈥, he crooned in the same song, 鈥淐olumbus said 鈥業t's round鈥. He went down in history, and America was found.鈥

Not entirely fair to Pliny and , for starters, not to mention the long-range raiding of the Vikings or .

And South Africa remain the clear favourites among the vast majority of neutrals we鈥檝e talked to since the at .

But there is also something fragile about the Springboks鈥 seemingly rock-solid convictions.

Maybe it鈥檚 the way that every one of their players that we spoke to after Sunday鈥檚 defeat of Argentina about Jonny Wilkinson, most of them completely unprompted.

Maybe it鈥檚 the memory of the look on the team鈥檚 faces when Fiji hauled themselves level at 20-20 in the 鈥 shocked, hollow-eyed, one fantastic try-saving tackle from JP Pietersen from joining the All Blacks and Australia on the pile of fallen giants.

Or maybe it鈥檚 that they are such hot favourites that they have everything to lose this weekend, burdened with the knowledge that they simply have to win, whereas England can charge out with expectations already wildly over-fulfilled.

For Ben and me, entering our seventh week together in , there are no two ways about it: everything from here on in is one huge sizzling bonus.

Never in our wildest, cheese-fed dreams did we imagine that a trip that began in the grey drizzle of Dover at the start of September would end with us watching England in the World Cup final.

In a week鈥檚 time we will be home, 13 World Cup matches and almost 5,000 miles under our belts. If they ever film a re-make of , we want supporting roles at the very least.

For now, it鈥檚 all about rest, recovery and the re-charging of exhausted batteries before the final big push this weekend.

Ben Dirs and Rob Hodgetts, Paris, England's victory against France

With Paris still stubbornly unreceptive to the charms of over-long campervans, we鈥檝e thrown budgetary caution to the winds and booked ourselves a poky twin room somewhere .

It鈥檚 barely got enough floor space for a pair of stinking flip-flops, yet already our mobiles are melting with requests from friends desperate for somewhere to crash.

You wouldn鈥檛 believe how many old mates have suddenly decided that they can鈥檛 get through the next four days without seeing us - you really wouldn鈥檛.

Tom Fordyce is a 主播大秀 Sport journalist travelling around France in a camper van with Ben Dirs.


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  • 1.
  • At 01:54 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Rugbynewz wrote:

One thing that immediately springs to mind as a factor in England's favour is that Eddie Jones is involved with our opponents. The look on his face when Clive Woodward shook his hand after the final in 2003 was priceless. Where will EJ go to after defeat in 2007?

Stayed in Montparnasse a few weeks ago to see Ireland get beaten by the Argies. Great little spot is Montparnasse, shame about the result. Hope you're not staying in the Hotel Terminus there, you get rumbled in the bed every time the metro goes past. Doesn't help the hangover.

  • 3.
  • At 02:12 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • drew wrote:

In reply to #1 - how about Wales :-)

  • 4.
  • At 02:16 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • CuthbertW wrote:

I shall watch the game with the same manner i watched the last 2

no expectations whatsoever, just that our boys play their hearts out

i still can't believe we are in the final but i hope its a close game that comes down to the wire - it will hurt more if we lose that way but will be very entertaining

good luck England on Saturday

  • 5.
  • At 02:19 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Ross wrote:

Tom, I'm a South African fan and I'm not 100% certain we're going to win.

Only about 90-95%.

  • 6.
  • At 02:23 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Gordon Burgess wrote:

England are going to win

  • 7.
  • At 02:25 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Mark, Paris wrote:

I reckon you should auction the bloggernaut off after the World Cup. Some fool somewhere must have enough oney to make it worthwhile.

Children In Need....

Anyway, speaking of need, I need tickets. Having made the Tonga game, the Quarters and the Semi, I can't begin to think what it would be like to not be at the final. But I won't be held to ransom. Some of the prices for low category tickets are ridiculous.

Any New Zealanders/French out there want to do the decent thing...

Failing that, will swap two double beds, bathroom, warm running water and I'll even throw in breakfast for Ben and Tom's tickets... You know it makes sense lads....

  • 8.
  • At 02:26 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • BokFan wrote:

It's so true, if the Boks lose we'll be devastated. To come so far, and then topple to a team we thrashed 36-0 will be torture... 4 years of it..! The significance of geting whipped on Saturday is sinking in, but I'm sure the Springboks have been waiting to shift into that extra gear no-one knew about and produce some of the most memorable rugby, despite a massive English resistance! Its going to be a cracker! Good luck to all.

  • 9.
  • At 02:33 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Steve wrote:

The boks are confident for a reason. They have a vastly superior backline, a great front 5 and a tyrant in Schalk Burger in the backrow. However, that all means squat if and when there are only 10-15 minutes reamaining and the pressure is on. If England are to win this we must be within touching distance (or even leading) coming into the home straight. The English defence must be as superb as against the French, for if we concede early tries I can't see us coming back into it. However, if the game is close, with the clock counting down, surely the fairytale will come true.

  • 10.
  • At 02:39 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Nick wrote:

Hmmmm. SA have every right to feel confident of victory....however.

This world cup has thrown up too many surprises for the final to go according to the form book. Look at Wales v Fiji.....France v New 'we're the worst loosers in the world' Zeland.........Argentina v just-about-everyone.

What ever happens come Saturday, win or lose, this England team have once again made me proud of my heritage.

  • 11.
  • At 02:44 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Rich wrote:

Loving the no doubt booze inflicted scab on the right elbow.

  • 12.
  • At 02:46 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Martin wrote:

I really am going to need therapy after this world cup.

It is going to be so difficult to stand up in front of my fellow ruggerholics and say. "I am a Welshman and I wanted England to win!"

I'm sure I'll recover but I hope to God I don't have a relapse when the six nations rolls around.

So, before I start the rehab program, go for it England - I'm sure you can win it.

Phew!

  • 13.
  • At 02:54 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Chris wrote:

Why are your mates even bothering trying to get somewhere to stay? win or lose, we're all going to be out for the whole night in Paris anyway! If you see someone crashed out in the Gare du Nord at 6am, chances are it's me...

Incidentally, I really, really hope the South African team are as 100% certain they're going to win as the supporters. Can't see it though, they're more professional than that.

  • 14.
  • At 02:54 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Tommo07 wrote:

Indeed, a certain song reminds me of the springboks...
"Oh Lord its hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way, each time i look in the mirror, I get better lookin' each day!"
haha.
Go the Boks!

  • 15.
  • At 02:56 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Jim Martinez wrote:

Ross,

I'm an England fan and I am 99% sure SA will win due to recent past performances. The 1% doubt stems from the fact that this is a totally one-off game. Hope it's a good match and good luck to both teams. It's imperative that the ref has a good game in the final - I would hate to see it devalued by bad refereeing (and I don't mean biased refereeing by that!).

  • 16.
  • At 03:04 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Mac wrote:

Saturday will prove that th team spirit runing through England cannot be broken. SA may have some strong highlighted players but England have already controlled similar players in the French and Aus side. It will be as tough as their previous two games but it is eveident that all the squad have a fantastic 80 mins left in the locker for Saturday. roll on the final whistle and lets see another England Capatain raise that precious Gold Cup

  • 17.
  • At 03:09 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Pete77 wrote:

Again what a ridiculous comment to make that you are yet to meet a South African who is not 100% conifedent of winning. Firstly, you obviously haven't met alot of us as like myself, most of us are worried that the English style of play coupled with there capacity to handle pressure means that they could easily upset the odds. Secondly, I think you write these blogs as a way of covering all bases. If the English side lose then it can be said how brave and great (and boring) they were to get to the final and nobody gave them a chance anyway. But if you win you can say how the South Africans over-confidence was there weakness and they deserved to lose purely because of that. We are not over confident, we are not assuming anything and the vast majortiy of us hope that Saturday is an entertaining event, not a one way game!

  • 18.
  • At 03:13 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • jonjo wrote:

i'm certain that the boks will be too strong for england. after beating an australian team with no forward platform and a french team who seemed to throw it away after being blinded by the lights, they will finally come up against a real rugby playing team who will not choke. from 1 to 15 this boks team has the look of world cup winners. Smit and his props will not be bullied, Matfield and Botha will decimate Englands line out and Burger, Rousseau and Smith will run riot through englands tired midfield. Du Preez will expose Gomershall and the extra time Butch James will have on the ball will mean he's in the game more than Wilkinson. The 2 centres will provide a steady defence and good attacking platform. That just leaves the back 3, if Percy plays like he did against Argentina then thats about 15 points on the board already. Habana is too good for england to control, its not just his pace but his power and awareness make him th emost dangerous finisher in the world at the moment.i've read that if england keep Habana quiet then the game is won. rubbish, if you keep habana quiet(by committing more than one man to him) then you leave extra room on the other side of the pitch, room which will be gladly accepted by Pitersen. The man who scored 11 tries to Habana's 7 in last years Super 14. All credit to England for getting to the final but the Boks will be far too powerful

  • 19.
  • At 03:22 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • redders wrote:

How can you say that about the King - b'quiffed porker indeed! Watch your back sunshine

  • 20.
  • At 03:42 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • l'golfer wrote:

We went to the last few games and the trick to getting tickets is to buy REALLY early and fast as the price goes up and up...
anyone out there want any more advice then it'll cost you a couple of final tickets first!

  • 21.
  • At 03:48 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Jo Blogs wrote:

Pete77 - totally agree with you, both on the boring comment and the not 100% certain the Boks will win on Saturday. On the other hand there aren't that many English fans who say that England will lose, so the overly-confident issue is not just one sided (like this chap's blog). We are now the favourites but we aren't trying to defend the World Cup so if the English think that their team has no pressure on them, think again.

It will be heart renching to have given England a drubbing in the opening match only to throw it all away on the last game, and I do believe if we lose it will have been us who lost it rather than England winning it. Australia lost it and France lost it. Hopefully it will not be third time lucky for England.

I personally don't think England have improved, the only difference to their team since that 36-0 drubbing is they now have a kicker on their team, Johnny "God" Wilkinson, which is reflected in the score of their previous games. Unfortunately "God" is lagging behind in points to Bok Percy and unless England can suddenly produce a flurry of tries - something they have been unable to do the whole World Cup - "God" is just going to have to settle for not being ... erm ... the creator of ... erm ... rugby? Oh and he will also have to stop blaming the game ball for missing kicks as no one else is experiencing problems with them ...

And talking about the "shell shocked" looks on the Boks against Fiji when they levelled 20-20 - I wonder what expression - if there is even a word to describe it - was on the English faces for the last 70 mins of their 36-0 drubbing against the Boks?

  • 22.
  • At 03:51 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • LilMissEngland wrote:

Gentlemen, ladies, PLEASE, with such negativity from England's 'fans', the team, and us included, don't deserve to win the world cup. So I sincerely hope that Johnny and co wipe the sour smirks off every Englishman's face who says we have no chance. However unlikely it may be, we CAN do it!

  • 23.
  • At 03:52 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Kate Herbert wrote:

Tom

Most of us South Africans are saying that we SHOULD win based on stats and recent performance - but we all know that may count for little on the day - so I for one am not taking anything for granted or predicting the result. I hope we win but then you hope England wins...whatever happens, here is to a great game of rugby on Saturday and a cracking hangover regardless on Sunday.

K

  • 24.
  • At 04:06 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Carole in Maidenhead wrote:

Dirsy, do you usually smile when lying in bed with another man? Just a simple question, innocently asked. Eaaasy. Eaaaaasy now tiger.

  • 25.
  • At 04:35 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Marcy wrote:

I find it ironic that you've commented on the confidence in the South African supporters...

For a South African working in England I get daily abuse of how the English are going to BEAT South Africa on Saturday, how South Africa does not stand a chance and the comments on South africa being a one player team (Bryan)...

I think South africa have every right to be confident in our entire team and they do deserve to be in the final. It will be a close game but I believe South africa will win! I am dying to hear all the reasons why a team who only has 1 real player and no chance of winning the world cup (even though we embarrassed the English squad 0-36) is victorious on Saturday! I only wish it could be another bruiser like their previous encounter to make the silience in the office so much more enjoyable!

  • 26.
  • At 04:41 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • phil D wrote:

Me and the missus are going over fri afternoon - sunday...Its going to be mental I cant wait. We are planning on watching it on the large screens near the Eiffel Tower, the atmosphere is going to be amazing! I truly believe England can win it if they manage to get SA bogged down. If SA start moving it wide think we could be in problems though. At the end of the day its two great rugby teams and a classic final - who could ask for more....besides an England victory!!! Swiiiiiing low...

  • 27.
  • At 04:48 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • tim c wrote:

TO THE GLORIOUS UNCERTAINTY OF SPORT

No predictions just hope !!! Think that goes for both sets
of fans.Really good SA friend has just got uk citizenship . WIND UP PRICELESS but at least she can say we won regardless.
Good luck to all and dont forget the liver salts.

  • 28.
  • At 04:53 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Micky wrote:

I wouldn't mind if the Boks ran in 7 tries in a one-way contest... but I'd much rather both teams play GOOD rugby (not the usual push-pass-to-Jonny-kick-into-touch) and may be the best win (seeing as I think the Boks will)... yes I'm looking at you, Brian Ashton!
I'd go 80% for a Bok victory. Here's to a cracking game of rugby and a massive party afterwards!

  • 29.
  • At 04:53 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Neil wrote:

I am very surprised that you can claim only to have met any SA fans who are 100% confident that the Boks will win. I have not met a single one. We hope, desire, and crave a win but we have been disappointed too often by last minute kicks to be at all confident. I know the ITV coverage has been rubbish but if you just compare Will Greenwood's supreme confidence that England will prevail with Francois Pienaar's nervousness about a SA win I think you will have a more accurate view of the relative confidence of the supporters. You guys rated the England starting XV higher than the SA starting XV. Listening to the England and SA teams and their respective coaches, I think you will find both sides very nervous. Unfortunately, a nervous SA side tends to be more flaky than a nervous England side. If SA can maintain the discipline of the Pool game, I think they have a good chance but if Mark Regan can wind up Schalk Burger, we may have problems.

  • 30.
  • At 04:55 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Bobby H wrote:

whatever goes on - this will be the world cup where any predictions could be miles out - Georgia v ireland. France v AB's SA v Eng in group - not the SA win but that scoreline - if someone tells you they predicted that they are a liar!. So I am not going anywhere near a prediction - except I bet I have a hangover on Sunday- Rugby is te real winner

  • 31.
  • At 04:57 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Paddy wrote:

Ten points for the Public Enemy reference guys.

  • 32.
  • At 04:59 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Anonymous wrote:

As other South Africans have said, victory would mean so much for this Rugby mad nation, but all the talk over here is that anything can happen on the day, its a one-off. Not sure why you (Tom) think we recon its in the bag already?? Anyway, looking forward to a cracking match. Good luck England.... but comon Boks!!

  • 33.
  • At 05:04 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Anonymous wrote:

As other South Africans have said, victory would mean so much for this Rugby mad nation, but all the talk over here is that anything can happen on the day, its a one-off. Not sure why you (Tom) think we recon its in the bag already?? Anyway, looking forward to a cracking match. Good luck England.... but comon Boks!!

  • 34.
  • At 05:11 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Pete The Pom in Preston wrote:

Will be stuck in a bar watching the final with the following:
Wife - Scottish
Friend - Argi (1)
Friends - Irish (2)
Friend - Welsh (1)
Friend - Aussie (1)

It is an Aussie bar so there are going to be plenty other Aussies around. We booked our table 6 months ago to avoid disappointment!!
But who's idea was it and who booked the table?
a) the Aussie
b) the Aussie
c) the Aussie
d) the Aussie
e) the Aussie
I am loving it

  • 35.
  • At 05:15 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Tim wrote:

Ok, there is some good comments here, and most of it is very credible.

Being from England I have to agree with the Boks, that our backs don't have much going for them apart from a golden-booted 10, and I also didn't expect to find them in the Final on saturday.

But nothing can be taken for granted in this tournament, not even the 36-0 drubbing in the pool stages. This could just be the Boks undoing...but I doubt it.

See you in Paris!
19

  • 36.
  • At 05:34 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • steve wrote:

Macey #25

If what your saying is accurate then the 'fans' your referring to are ignorant fools and I'm sorry for the crap your taking. The only nation those people are degrading is my own by their stupid antics.

The reason for the ' what your saying is accurate鈥 is because people can often hear what they think people are saying rather than what they actually are. And there鈥檚 a world of difference in meaning, but very little in language, between a 鈥榳e hope we鈥檒l win鈥 and a 鈥榳e鈥檙e going to thrash you鈥.

Judging by my experience on those boards the English are amongst the best behaved and most modest and moderate fans in the competition. It鈥檚 generally been various non-English fans who have been displaying venom, although you get the occasional idiotic lout or people making fairly rash statements, such as post #6. However its normally be SH people making rash claims about winning before the actual game. A lot of neutrals, especially from the NH nations, seem to be increasingly coming out on the English side, I think because of the continued hostility and whining of some of the correspondence. To be fair a number of the SH posters have also criticised the behaviour of some of their countrymen.

I think in general rugby seems to have far superior supporters to many other sports and the French especially seem to have earned praise for taking such a close fought defeat so well. Hopefully whoever wins and loses both sides and their fans will take the result with grace and not dishonour their teams and countries.

Overall I think the Boks are favourites and probably will win. However I will be cheering on my team and hoping I鈥檓 wrong again as I was expecting an all SH set of semis. Was not expecting to get past France either but hoping the lads will do it again Saturday.

Stevep

  • 37.
  • At 05:38 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Frank Davies wrote:

I just moved to Cairo, i cant find anyone who even knows what rugby is! Anyone know any bars here?

  • 38.
  • At 05:54 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Paul wrote:

I know this is totally off the beaten track but I couldn't resist bringing everyones attention to a little ditty that can be found on that great website that shows all those funny (or not so funny) video clips, you tube! Enter 'comedy haka to men in tights'. You will not be able to keep a straight face to the haka ever again. Shame I couldn't have come across this a week ago.

Have fun, oh,on track again, my head says SA, my heart HAS to say England.

  • 39.
  • At 05:59 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Leo wrote:

Re: No.21 by Jo Blogs

A few points to address there I think.

Firstly, let's simply put a stop to the "boring" jibes right here and now. Any true rugby enthusiasts know that there are plenty of ways to play rugby, whether it is ball in hand, territorial, forward-based or Harlem Globetrotters, but I can tell you now that if New Zealand had had the ability to close out a game by going for a drop goal instead of running into closing spaces they'd probably be playing SA now instead. And you also seem to have a very short memory given that Jannie de Beer put England out in 1999 with 5 drop goals, and Joel Stransky had won the previous World Cup with two. I have heard from many neutrals and even non-rugby followers who say that the last two England games have been thrilling. There are also plenty of England fans that say that we'll lose on saturday. There are even a few in this thread, let alone throughout the rest of the blogs, discussion boards and offices around the world! What I think you are mistaking (or misreading) are the scores of England fans (and others) saying that England CAN win, not necessarily WILL, but can. This is a knockout match just like the one that "knocked out" New Zealand, Australia and France against the odds.

Secondly, although I understand the concept of one team losing it as opposed to the other winning it, you have misapplied that hypothesis here. Given that England have played very much the same rugby over the past few games, it should have been very simple for either Australia or France to preempt and counteract this apparently "flawed" tactic and won the game by playing the way that has got them so high up in the IRB rankings. The fact is that England have played whatever way was required. And the immense pressure they put on scrum, contact area and positional kicking (as well as a few deft touches in the backs) forced both teams into mistakes.

Now, onto your opinion that the England team hasn't improved. I was tempted here to counter this with something glib and humourous but please, come on. I have now rewatched each of the England games in the tournament at least once or twice (yes I have too much time on my hands) and they have improved tremendously. The most notable areas, and they really are notable, are the contact area and the cohesion in the team. You may well have heard a lot of the England players and coaches talking this week about "knowing their roles" and this is evident in the way that you aren't finding a lot of people out of position or isolated in possession. This is also aided by the siege mentality and underdog status that, although actually pretty alien to most England sides, is one they are revelling in. As for the breakdown, you only have to see how impressively they nullified the much-vaunted George Smith, Dusautoir, Harinordoquy, Chabal, etc.

Finally, saying that Johnny Wilkinson is the only difference to the team in terms of improvement, you strangled your own theory by then going on to say that his kicking percentages are actually pretty low. Yes he has an calming influence on the rest of the team apparently but doesn't anyone remember how well Barclay played early in the tournament? He was one of the few positives.

The point is, as England fans, we have not had much to shout about the last few years. In fact there has been a lot of humble embarrassment. So to have got through to a final when it looked bleak at the quarters (and even for getting out of our group) so recently, we are pretty happy to be able to celebrate not only our own improvement but also our very inclusion into what has been simply the best world cup to date.

  • 40.
  • At 06:28 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Cuzzer wrote:

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

  • 41.
  • At 07:01 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Nick on Guern wrote:

Ref Cuzzer No40

Hear hear mate. Let the chat stop, and the game start. Hears to a magnificent tournament, and (hopefully) a stunning final.

PS great blogging boys :)

Nick

anticipating the mother of all hangovers.

Guernsey

  • 42.
  • At 07:29 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • chris the drummer wrote:

Just seen the news guys, no ticket for the final..... I would commiserate but I'll have to stop laughing first!!!!
Still, could be worse, you could've had to work for the last 5 weeks with only ITV's pathetic commentary for company. Five Live for the sound, TV for the pictures - that's the way to go (although as the radio is about a second ahead of the TV you hear the try before it's scored!!!!).

I do feel truely devastated for you guys but hey, it's only a game... Right.....???


  • 43.
  • At 08:07 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Theo S wrote:

If South Africa win on Saturday, I will simply cry with happiness, but while the blokes on the street might be wild and wasted and confident, I am not. England are really good, despite the crap pool match. Fortunately the SA players are professional enough to be humble and cautious wrt the English team. I had a good laugh about the English journo claiming that SA will lose because they're somehow "scared" of Wilkinson. Says a lot about a man if he knows neither respect nor humility, and I pity the poor bastard if England lose.

  • 44.
  • At 08:15 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Stu wrote:

Chaps

Just watched the Ubogu vid - very entertaining.

I have bumped into the great man twice - once in "Shoeless Joes" and once at Twickenham (Victor was identified by a "VU" emblazoned training top).

Next time I shall challenge him to a game of Ubogu!

Great blogging - keep it up!

  • 45.
  • At 08:38 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Arthur wrote:

England have been given no chance of winning for the last three years but hey miracles happen so all you English guys stop bashing the side and get behind then , They have got there through their own sheer bloodymindedness to prove all the knockers wrong. Yes South Africa appera to have all the cards to win but it is not a forgone conclusion. It ain't over till the fat lady sings and she is not singing yet.
May the best team on the day win

  • 46.
  • At 08:38 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Jim wrote:

I started out supporting Ireland till finally and thankfully I was put out of my misery by their departure. After Samoa I told all my English mates I thought England were getting it all together - and - what the Irish fear about England - the strength of the forwards was really coming through - added to Gomersall and several others playing the rugby of their lives it has been great to see them improve with every match.

As for the Boks - did they actually play any rugby until Argetina had gifted them the game? Although Percy looked like he could not miss...

I play hockey with a bunch of South Africans so all I can say is a heartfelt "Come on England" and please make this coming season bearable..........

  • 47.
  • At 08:41 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Howard wrote:

Having had to put up with delayed coverage here in the USA on Setanta Sport for the last few weeks presented by suicidally bitter and twisted Irishmen, I can stand it no longer. I am flying to Paris for "le grand finale". Where are the best rugby bars? Which area of the city should I head for on Thursday? Which is the most comfortable gutter to sleep in?

All advice welcome!

  • 48.
  • At 08:49 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • imran khan wrote:

I cant beleive anyone being 100% confident about the boks winning for turning up.At least the boks have wide players that know where the opposition line is .What is the try count again. Cmon Bokke

  • 49.
  • At 10:53 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Keith Roberts wrote:

I'll be there on Saturday night with my nephew. no chance of tickets as I don't have that kind of money.
I too will be somewhere near the Eiffel Tower, unless someone has a better suggestion for a location.

I still find it hard to believe how our team have come back, and now, I honestly believe that we can retain the cup, if only we can keep that man Habana bottled up. He is something else. In every other respect we have the potential to match the boks, and of course we have Billy Whizz playing out of his skin in his final match.

It may not be pretty, finals tend not to be, but it should be a great rugby experience.

  • 50.
  • At 11:21 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Andy wrote:

I'm praying and hoping that England win, I know they can. Everyone's as shocked as I am, not as shocked as the three hundred french that surrounded me at Corcorans in Paris on Saturday. I'll be there again this weekend, cheering on the boys, but no dingy hotel for me, my nice warm bed in my own flat to go home to!!HAHA PS Floorspace going for 20 EUR per foot!!

  • 51.
  • At 11:36 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Graham wrote:

The Boks will bottle it like they almost did against Tonga and Fiji, except this time the team they are playing is full of men with vast experience a team that will not suddenly be startled because they have a chance of winning. SA have had an easy passage to the final they are not in the same frame of mind as the England team, i truely hope that every one of their playrs is convinced they only have to turn up because they will be going home with nothing but losers medals if they do.
Englands style of rugby has changed not a great deal i admit but they can change the way in which they are approaching a game and change the gameplan, they never seemed to be able to do this for the last 3 or 4 yrs, I think our forwards will be too strong for the Boks as were Argentinas but they lacked the experience, England to win and not by too close a margin Boks will lose their rag and give pens away and poss yellows, Sheriden and Vickey to bury big Os keep it tight boys keep it tight.

Go on !!!!!

  • 52.
  • At 11:59 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Chris wrote:

Fellers, you could actually do all of us piling into Paris for the final a favour and let us know the best places to go.

The various official sites are pretty hopeless for that.

  • 53.
  • At 03:12 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • John Bard wrote:

I'll be watching the game on PPV in sunny Los Angeles!
Can't quite believe what's been happening the last few weeks, like an incredible dream that just goes on and on getting better and better...
SA have to be strong favourites - but so long as our boys give it a good lash I'll be content.
On the other hand, should we actually contrive to win it... no,no, calm down, can't afford to think like that!...
My blood pressure is going through the roof already and it's only Tuesday here!

  • 54.
  • At 04:30 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Alex wrote:


Overall this has been a world cup, to be remebered.
Being English then I will be supporting England with my heart.
My wife is South African and will be supporting South Africa with her heart.
Now we are at final stage, were nerves count for everything.
SA have everything to lose and England have everything to gain, this will be in the back of their minds at all times.
SA and England will need to be good under pressure in the second half or else their nerves will get the better of them and if that is the case anywhere in their own half, could prove costly for both sides.
Who ever wins, one thing I would love to see is Jason Robinson making a try saving tackle on Brian Habanna, as that would be the chase down of the tournament and showing that the old master still has it in him on his last appearance.
I am already planning at least a week of sleeping in the spare bedroom, that I can handle for England being the first Back to back champions.
It is all about bottle and nerves, something New Zealand forgot about who last won when Matthew Tait was five months old and Francois Steyn was two months old.

  • 55.
  • At 04:43 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • SBB wrote:

Leo (comment number 39)- bravo, top comment which was VERY well articulated! I trust that answered all your lame, unthought through attempts at venting your spleen Joe Blogs (comment 21).

As tim c says (comment 27), here's to the glorious uncertainty of sport. No one has it in the bag and to think they do is in itself arrogant. May the best team win, I know that I'll be screaming my lungs out for a team that I am incredibly proud to be linked to - win or lose - one who have shown fighting spirit when it mattered.

England of course.

  • 56.
  • At 09:34 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Rufus wrote:

England have done very well up to now and managed to keep tries out. This has been effective up till now. However I fear for England this weekend that they'll be facing too many offensive weapons and that unfortunately the English rose will wilt.

They've managed to get this far with a few remnants from 4 years ago and a fighting spirit.

Here's hoping the Boks win this weekend so that England fans can return to their true form of booing their team and balance can return and natural order be restored.

Then and only then will the English "true believers" show their true colours.

  • 57.
  • At 09:34 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Pharoah wrote:

For Frank Davies, Blog 37.

Head straight for the Cairo Rugby Clubhouse in Maadi and you may be entertained by the members as much as the events on the screen - they are a great bunch of guys. Cairo Rugby also used to organise everything from raft races down the Nile to trips to the 7s in Dubai, so a good place to be if you are new to Cairo.

From a former Cairo Rugby member

  • 58.
  • At 10:06 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Murray Bateman wrote:

All this certainty and bravado about beating england this weekend sounds familiar. The only thing they need to tell us now is that they "hate us" and the ammo will be all there.

I can see the SA fans points, but also they've got to see that england are bringing quite a few aces to the table too. It's gonna be a hell of a game.

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!

  • 59.
  • At 10:09 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • wrote:

For Frank Davies, Blog 37.

Head straight for the Cairo Rugby Clubhouse in Maadi and you may be entertained by the members as much as the events on the screen - they are a great bunch of guys. Cairo Rugby also used to organise everything from raft races down the Nile to trips to the 7s in Dubai, so a good place to be if you are new to Cairo. Beware the local brew, Stella (that which does not kill us, makes us stronger...)

From a former Cairo Rugby member

  • 60.
  • At 10:21 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Rufus wrote:

England have done very well up to now and managed to keep tries out. This has been effective up till now. However I fear for England this weekend that they'll be facing too many offensive weapons and that unfortunately the English rose will wilt.

They've managed to get this far with a few remnants from 4 years ago and a fighting spirit.

Here's hoping the Boks win this weekend so that England fans can return to their true form of booing their team and balance can return and natural order be restored.

Then and only then will the English "true believers" show their true colours.

  • 61.
  • At 10:46 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • EnglishR wrote:

From talking to rugby friends it seems that thousands are on the move over to Paris this weekend...most without tickets or accommodation. To follow on from Chris #52 any advice on where to go - before and after the match would be welcome.

Also is it worth heading up towards the stadium on Saturday - are there any places close to watch the match or are we better off staying in the centre?

Well done the 主播大秀 - this is a great blog site - your two blogs in particular (especially Mt ventoux!)

  • 62.
  • At 12:44 PM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Gareth wrote:

I saw how blindly patriotic and cock sure some of our fellow SA fans were in the build up to the Argie game in the television interview pre match build up. It's a pity some people get given passports in this country because it doesn't help the rep of the rest of us, whom I can assure you are feeling the nerves and admit that any final is 50/50. Their arrogance is not representative of a team who show week in and week out how humble they really are. it's going to be a cracker!

  • 63.
  • At 12:49 PM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Gareth wrote:

I saw how blindly patriotic and cock sure some of our fellow SA fans were in the build up to the Argie game in the television interview pre match build up. It's a pity some people get given passports in this country because it doesn't help the rep of the rest of us, whom I can assure you are feeling the nerves and admit that any final is 50/50. Their arrogance is not representative of a team who show week in and week out how humble they really are. it's going to be a cracker!

  • 64.
  • At 12:56 PM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Daniel wrote:

If Johnny Wilkinson +14 win it then all credit to them but the only thing that's changed in the team is him. Before that the 15 - Wilkinson were pushed to the brink by the USA who are not even at the level of minnows. Sure SA were taken by surprised by the Fijians but islander nations have always had the power to surprise. The thing that makes this Springbok team special is they will always have something left in the tank and will be able to shift it up a gear. If the Boks don't give away penalties they'll win and it's as simple as that. Wilkinson + 14 can shut down Habana, that's fine! But they just expose themselves elsewhere on the pitch. The Springboks are not Habana + 14 and if the English treat them like that then it'll be a great game for Bok fans.

  • 65.
  • At 02:19 PM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • One legged Ed wrote:

Our party starts at 4pm, kids and wives are all involved. There will be lots of noise and beer... What a weekend. It only wednesday and I'm already getting excited.

Keep the reports going boys - your blog has been outstanding.

Just wish I could get there... But the doc has ordered the plaster cast to stay on two more weeks :(

  • 66.
  • At 04:02 PM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Russ wrote:

I think we (england) have a chance because it's a one off game and you never know, but realistically SA are a far better side than us and on paper should win it by a couple of tries.

However, the same was said of Oz and France so here's hoping for another miracle!

I do hope though, if we we do lose, that we hand over the trophy with a lot more decorum than the aussies last time around, such bad losers.

  • 67.
  • At 06:14 PM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • John in Portland, Oregon wrote:

Ref Cuzzer (#40)

These are the words of President Teddy Roosevelt and, because of their insight, have been well repeated over the decades in a world of contexts. Kudos to Cuzzer for including them in the midst of this thread. I have no doubt that Teddy would have embraced the game with every sinew had he been exposed to it. Shall we speculate on what position would have best displayed his spirit and vitality? I'm guessing him at #8.

I learned my rugby back in the mid-sixties while in the US Navy, Played FB for Michigan State University's second side and then toted a whistle for a few years in Michigan and here in the Northwest. Satellite TV coverage of the RWC has enabled me to rekindle my love for the sport and its ever unique expression of passion, grit, and comraderie - not just on the pitch, but off it, whether player or fan. Give it your all and honor your opponent with a sweaty, grubby and weary embrace when it's done. But it ain't over yet! Even so, the whole lot of you have already done the sporting world proud. Good on ya'!

  • 68.
  • At 06:24 PM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • wrote:

For Frank Davies, Blog 37.

Head straight for the Cairo Rugby Clubhouse in Maadi and you may be entertained by the members as much as the events on the screen - they are a great bunch of guys. Cairo Rugby also used to organise everything from raft races down the Nile to trips to the 7s in Dubai, so a good place to be if you are new to Cairo. Beware the local brew, Stella (that which does not kill us, makes us stronger...)

From a former Cairo Rugby member

  • 69.
  • At 06:30 PM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Tony Bennett wrote:

Tom, if you catch Johnno again then try to ask him anything about the Leicester Panthers reunion this year - I filmed the charity match and was part of the Youth team setup back in the late 80's when Johnno first played for them...

  • 70.
  • At 08:58 PM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Scot English wrote:

After the utter disappointment of being at the first game v SA, the sheer disbelief (in an ecstatic way) at being in Marseille to see the win against the Aussies and the utter thrill and joy watching the SF win on TV last week, I reckon we've a chance....

Travel sorted, ticket sorted, can't wait......

Bring It On!

  • 71.
  • At 01:04 AM on 18 Oct 2007,
  • Nicko wrote:

The tides are turning against us, our backs are up against the wall, in the face of a more powerful and superior opposition a daunting task is up ahead. But this was the case against Australia, this was the case against France. The English team have bigger hearts than would seem possible. If we can keep it uber tight defensively, there is a glimmer. If anything this England side has given us reason to back them and to believe. I'm an Englishman living in Australia so I've already won, I was at the World Cup Semi's and Finals last time round, what an experience. All those who attend are in for a treat.

Bring me my bow of burning gold
Bring me my arrow of desire.

Swing Low!

  • 72.
  • At 08:07 AM on 18 Oct 2007,
  • Richard wrote:

Once more unto the breach dear fellow , once more . Stand by for Corry , Vickery , Shaw , Easter ,Sheridan , Regan , Moody and Kay .They have been dreaming Green shirts, and in their dreams these shirts are to be "smashed back " Yes its the final but some big men have bad thoughts in there head and hearts .You can simply forget 36-0 I have absolutley no doubt that the ball will be incidental for these men in certain field postions. It's going to be primeval and harsh .

  • 73.
  • At 05:49 PM on 18 Oct 2007,
  • Carl wrote:

Good Article loved the read!!! all of the blogs...

As a South African living in Cape Town, the english press has it all wrong.

There are a lot of level headed supporters who think we are going to struggle!!! I am not 100% sure we are going to win, but i damn sure hope we thump the stuffing out of you.

Good luck, may the best team win!

  • 74.
  • At 06:54 PM on 18 Oct 2007,
  • ian wrote:

I think it's a great comeback from the English, I am a Bok fan and obviously I think they will win, but sure it's not 100%. One thing that gives me confidence though is the fact that Jake and the boys had planned for the England game from the word go, 4 years ago. Jake reffered to the pool game against England a lot in his 4 year build up to the rwc. You could see it in the group stages, they were 33-0 up with a couple of minutes to go and got a penalty in a kickable position, percy took the points, the thing is, we don't play that way, normally if we have the game in the bag we will kick for touch, take our line-out ball, drive and score. I think the score could have been bigger that night, but you could see they stuck to the game plan. Obviously with a world class 10 it wont be 36-0, 0 is a joke but I think the Bokke knows what is waiting for them and if they stick to the game plan it won't go to 79th minute, if the English can disrupt them well then Jonny might become a factor in 79th min, but Schalk will propably spear tackle jonny before then:-)

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