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What will Nasa do next?

Evan Davis | 11:25 UK time, Saturday, 18 July 2009

Today presenter Evan DavisAt the peak of the Apollo programme, when the US wanted to get a man on the moon above all else, Nasa accounted for 4.5% of the federal government budget. Today it is a fraction of that - about 0.6% or thereabouts.

It's a striking comparison.

And look at the results. Between 1969 and 1972, the US got men on the moon six times.

Then it all stopped. They cancelled the remaining three planned trips (Apollo 18, 19 and 20). Since then most people probably barely realise how far away from the moon man has remained.

The (ISS) and the space shuttles which visit it hang out in low earth orbit. If the journey to the moon is equivalent to the distance from London to New York, going to the ISS is like a voyage from Westminster to Chelsea. It is a thousandth of the number of kilometres.

It does fortunately mean you don't need a telescope to see the ISS; household binoculars will do. It's quite fun. You can even to find out when to look up into the sky.

But the sad implication is that the manned distant space travel - like supersonic aeroplane travel - has moved backwards rather than forwards.

What interests me is the very human factor that has driven all of this.

Is it funny that America invested so much in getting men to the moon in the 1960s when it was involved in the expensive Cold War with the Soviets and invests so much less now (relative to GDP) when it has a clearer position as the monopoly superpower?

No it's not funny - it was obviously the Cold War that did it.

The depressing conclusion is that as a species, we tend to concentrate our minds on big things not so much for the advances in pure science they bring, but for the lift they give us relative to our competitors.

When the lift is not needed, or when the competitors are not there, the motivation seems to diminish.

Or to put it another way, Nasa's problem these days is that there is no race for prestige to be won. The arguments for expensive space travel have to be made on scientific grounds - far more shaky in budget arguments than national pride.

Of course, Nasa does have grand plans to go back to the moon and beyond. The Constellation Programme aims to get people beyond low earth orbit again. For evidence of its progress you can see the photo of me walking on Mars itself inside the campus at the Johnson Space Centre in Houston.

It's a small mock Mars landscape, in fact. And 20 metres away is a moon landscape. They're both designed for training astronauts in costume.

But the Constellation Programme is under review. There is an economic crisis on. The target date of 2020 to get Americans off the ground and back on the real moon may well not be met.

Nasa would probably be in a lot better shape if the enemies of the West were more interested in running a flight to Mars than running around in the caves of Waziristan.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    At some point people will realize that this is a terminal solar system and need to move. Going to the moon was a good story for the development of ballistic missiles to be used to blow Russia off the face of the earth, but you couldn't just say that. The generation of greed gained power and here we are..they don't look much past themselves.

  • Comment number 2.

    Can anyone identify these craft on NASA's STS88 pics ?
    ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_STS088_STS088-724-66_3.JPG
    ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_STS088_STS088-724-67_3.JPG
    ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_STS088_STS088-724-68_3.JPG
    ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_STS088_STS088-724-69_3.JPG
    ftp://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ISD_highres_STS088_STS088-724-70_3.JPG

  • Comment number 3.

    Despite the threats of global warming, nucleur annihilation, over-population and food/water scarcity, limited energy resources, being hit by a comet or asteroid, I think the human race has a few more billion years to decide whether to go elsewhere in the galaxy :-)

    These other factors may push us in the right direction along the way.

    Hypothetically - if a limitless energy supply was found on the dark side of the moon, or in Mount Olympus on Mars, and could be beamed to us via some technical process yet to be invented, I don't think it would take much convincing to kick start a programme.
    We can conjure money out of thin air based on future returns these days you know.

  • Comment number 4.

    Hello JTheFun,
    I hope I can help you.
    The first, third and fourth pictures seem to be of Kradox freighters and commercial transports. They are just going about normal business in the area. The second picture is of Kradox fighter probably on a routine patrol. The final picture is particularly worrying it is of a Manov warship which should not have entered this sector at all. This ship has been caught not only where is should not have been but using a primary weapon (if you study the photograph carefully you will notice the begging of trillium beam coming from the ships starboard side).
    My advice is to get on to NASA and warn them of the grave danger that being in position of such a photo puts us in. If we are caught with spy photographs like this life on earth would be immediately and irrevocably wiped out.
    Over to you Evan.

  • Comment number 5.

    I've just heard back from a friend on Zylon. Evan Davis is in fact a Manov undercover agent on earth. He has already detailed back to the Manov people and a planetary annihilation weapon has been launched. This is travelling at 100 times the speed of light and is due to reach earth on the 21st December 2012.

    Evacuate the planet!

  • Comment number 6.

    Giant Steps Are What You Take...........
    Hello, Evan. I have just stopped laughing at the excerpt of your interview with 50 cents. Financial advice? For a Few half Dollars - jaw? Right!
    I will plead old age when allegedly accused of being disrepectful to the gentleman but I always say now one doesn't NEED to hit the school bully. I learnt that much in my time on this planet let alone whatever moon of Jupiter I currently inhabit on occasion.
    Warren Buffett and now 50 cent. Bankers, Ex PMs, celebrities - yes I AM jealous. Your two most recent interviewees though - I do not plan to listen fully to either recording - as it seems that is all that is needed to get the Beebs real attention. Conspicious Wealth. Ok.
    But when we all come down to Earth - give me a bell and I will tell you effectively the price of most things worthwhile. Many a mickle make a muckle, look after the pennies and some such!
    50 Cent? lol Ah me! Or rather - still not - me!

  • Comment number 7.

    To JTheFun : the objects on the NASA images do look like spatial debris. A friend of mine has collected all these images into a single animation.


  • Comment number 8.

    Hi,



    My name is Alexandra Paraschiv i.e. a young apprentice in search of guidance and enlightenment. More specific and precise (the journalese way), I am a foreign multimedia journalism student at Bournemouth University and I was wondering if you could give me a few minutes of your time to answer a few questions. If so, and you prefer it to be done on the phone rather than online, could you provide me with your contact details?

    It would be a great opportunity to get closer to becoming a true news-delivery 鈥渆nvoy鈥.

    Looking forward to hearing from you.



    With a great deal of enthusiasm,

    Alexandra


  • Comment number 9.

    July 18th? Come on Evan. Get with the program! So here we are again. That other guy at Evan Davis blog. Good news Evan about the 500,000 upsurge in listeners to the prog since you got onboard. Shame about the DM having a go at you for your biker attire. But there you go. The small price of a life in public!

    Anyway I'm sure you'll be delighted to know that the amazing Lincoln City have now posted their wonderful debut set at myspace. The usual address plus /lincolncityband

    No specific comments about the piece above other than it is not exactly up there on the interest scale with the Coen Brothers interview on TTP. Apparently they popped into the Ivy Club while they were in town. Funny how quickly news travels from The Smoke - even to the frozen wastes of Edinburgh!

  • Comment number 10.

    Back to the thread topic. (Mods where are you?)

    Getting humans out of low earth orbit needs a very good reason, it is so expensive. Such good reasons will probably come about in their time.

    If it becomes possible to build a viable nuclear fusion reactor, then the moon is covered in Helium-3, an isotope of helium that would be an ideal fusion fuel. Mining the moon might then be a good enough reason and make economic sense.

    I subscribe to the view that the first space age was an anomaly. Apollo should not have happened when it did, they were many years ahead of their time powered by an existential threat which no longer exists.

    We have to recognise that still today the major motivation for deep space travel is a rather formless desire to 'just get off this rock'. Its hard to justify 4% of GDP for a whim like this when we can put robot craft in orbit around the moons of Saturn and oerform experiments in places where it could never be practical to put a human.

    It would make more sense for the US government to invest 4% of their GNP in a new 'Apollo' or 'Manhattan Project' to build a viable fusion reactor. Bring the greatest minds in the world in one place and challenge them to make a commercially viable reactor in 10 years. Hang it, get all the worlds governments to invest 4% of global GNP in this and get it done, everyone would benefit.

    This would solve the worlds energy problems, help with CO2 reduction... and create an economic rationale for spaceflight that currently simply does not exist.

    Lets solve the big problem. Once we have that cracked, space flight will look easy and affordable.

  • Comment number 11.

    That's all very interesting Paul. But, heh, still no sign of Evan. It'll be Christmas before you know it. In fact, it may even be fashionable again to be a Mod by the time that Evan gets back with the program!

    In the meantime I think I'll just pen a poem or two until Evan gets back, so as to keep his blog warm, so to speak, while he is away, no doubt on other urgent 主播大秀 business.

    This one is called Out and About In Paris and London. Some find this hard to believe but every now and then I get mistaken for Paul McCartney. Even Paul's late wife Linda did a double take when I was in the audience at a taping of The Last Resort with Jonathon Ross many moons ago. (back to the thread, clever eh?!)

    Anyway the poem opens in the Cafe de Flore on the Boulevard St Germain...

    She slipped into French cafe
    Iconic
    Known to all
    Then stopped and stared mouth open
    'It's you'
    'My God, it's Paul'
    Twas only precious seconds
    A lifetime it was not
    But Yoko made that Paris trip
    And so her name I drop

    The poem then changes location to Jermyn Street in London's St James, and chancing upon Stephen Fry in quite extraordinary circumstance. But to hear that episode followers of thatotherguy at Evan Davis blog will have to come along to the Royal Oak in Edinburgh where singer Ian Robertson and poet A A Reid start a seven week Tuesday night run on November 17th. Joining Robertson and Reid on stage that evening will be Sainsbury's favourite shelf stacker Gordon Parker for a new act known as Robertson and Reid. Plus Gordon! It should be a hoot. A bit like Clarkson, Hammond and May. But with talent!

  • Comment number 12.

    It is fascinating who you run across on the streets of London Evan, is it not. This one is called London Standard 1985

    Margaret Duchess of Argyle
    and Douglas Fairbanks Junior
    Caught the eye
    Styled to deny
    Their era gone forever.

  • Comment number 13.

    You're far too young to remember the world before coffee culture and convenience eating Evan; we baby boomers didn't have it all easy - the family table could be quite a monotonous place!

    Sticking with the thread, I wonder if the astronauts had printed menus when meal times rolled round in outer space. Exactly what was in their straw and pouch?

    This one is called Life Before Lattes

    Monday night was always mince
    Tuesday night was stew
    Wednesday night was gammon and chips
    Thursday night, who knew?
    Friday night was cod in crumb
    Saturday tea, and a steak took its turn
    Sunday roast came with peas and roast tatties
    Those were the days,that life before lattes

  • Comment number 14.

    remember that famous remark Evan. Whatever love is? Well some may recognise some of its more tortured elements from this. The poem is called Sussed:

    When love looms deep, unspoken
    Its thought rules all of life
    Love looms and fears the token
    The agony sits twice
    Full soul in search of sustenance
    Doth swell at dead of night
    Resistance
    Where's that option?
    The Gods sit on each side

    When loves finger points at wooden heart
    And skelfs,
    why who can say
    Love's hand has formed a trigger
    And fatal blast it may
    What then?
    Retreat to virtue?
    Descend to madness?
    Lust!
    When love's door opens just ajar
    Its slam all fingers crush

    What stays inside for keeping
    Makes hard to exorcise
    Fired thoughts
    Desires
    The keening
    Why me?
    A sacrifice
    As life turns into torture
    And yes, reports it must
    All thoughts of lust may wither
    But this time
    Love's been sussed.

  • Comment number 15.

    I don't know if you ever had an imaginary friend when you were growing up Evan. This is something of an adult version. The poem is called New Best Friend

    I don't know if I should mention this but,
    he is a very good listener is old Rembrandt
    True, there's always that rather supercillious stare to contend with
    And the slightly mocking look in his eyes
    But time after time he draws me back for a brief and confidential chat
    My confessor
    Whose parting shot to me is always reassuringly the same
    Loser.

  • Comment number 16.

    It was Goethe, was it not Evan, who said that a good poet needed to be a good hater. I particularly dislike shallow authors who develop plot lines that invariably take them out of their own psychological shallows. This one is called Empty Vessel

    When I told 'Big Ian' to his face
    that his little book lacked grace
    He looked quite shocked
    But went on to admit
    He had cut out the bit
    where rotter
    interfered with daughter
    Both characters and author
    swept away that day
    by strong current
    running
    from other side of
    life's painted veil
    and on to chesiled beach.

  • Comment number 17.

    Heh ho, still no Evan, so more evian of life avec thatotherguy at Evan Davis blog. Come back soon mate as I'm running out of poems! This one is called: Brief Encounter

    I never actually saw Princess Di
    on the school run to Wetherby
    But perhaps she saw me
    She'd obviously had good lunch at Belfry
    and as her car drew near
    she plugged me into the national grid I fear
    with just one smile
    Tapping driver on the shoulder to slow down as she did,
    he almost stalled the car
    Had it been a plane that he'd been flying
    it would have crashed back down to earth
    As that angel did
    But not then
    Not that precious time
    Later.

  • Comment number 18.

    If you are looking for literary allusions to Dante or Donne in your poetry Evan, then you need to look elsewhere. Will P G Woodhouse do? This one is called Room At The Top

    Christopher Sinclair Stevenson was famous for his dos
    And Savile Club at author launch was where I met guess who
    My favourite book and favourite film and all rolled into one
    John couldn't get enough of me, two holes in one then some
    It felt as if we'd talked all night but minutes it was only
    Young man on top, old man below, sharp eyes now tired and lonely
    Connected up we got on great. Oh fate! Thou spread fine table
    But then like Edward 'Biffy' Biffen, dear God I lost my Mabel
    "There's someone here that you must meet, come quickly don't delay"
    Braine wandered off into the night, again I had no say
    I never heard from John again, and he heard nought from me
    But fate had still one hand to play, before me now I see:
    First Edition
    Signed 'John'
    Held precious to this day.

  • Comment number 19.

    Evan

    You are listed on the 主播大秀 blogs under "Today" but you don't even bother to start any threads relating to the Today programme. Why is this?

    The Today programme is a flagship radio 4 programme and listeners deserve more that the sorry efforts you are providing on your blog.

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