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Tuesday 23 November 2010

Verity Murphy | 11:34 UK time, Tuesday, 23 November 2010

Here's what's coming up on tonight's show:

In an unprecedented move, a British Muslim family has spoken openly to Newsnight about one of their own falling victim to radicalisation, a story which reveals serious flaws in how the UK deals with the threat of Islamist terror.

Umar Arshad's family repeatedly turned to the police for help as their son came under the influence of Muslim extremists, but believe that they were seriously let down by the authorities.

Richard Watson brings us this fascinating film from Manchester.

Mark Urban will be reporting on the artillery exchange between North and South Korea, one of the most serious clashes there since the Korean War in the 1950s.

We have a film from Berlin giving the German perspective on the euro crisis. How long will they put up with having to bail out weaker economies?

And following the success of Downton Abbey and with 70s classic Upstairs Downstairs returning to our screens this Christmas, we discuss the UK obsession with class interplay with guests including Downton Abbey creator Julian Fellowes - himself now a newly created Lord.

Join Jeremy at 10.30pm on Ö÷²¥´óÐã Two.

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From earlier today:

Richard Watson has a strong film on the radicalisation of a young British Muslim in which his family speak openly for the first time, and which reveals serious flaws in the way in which Britain deals with the threat of Islamist terror.

And Mark Urban will be reporting on the artillery exchange between North and South Korea, one of the most serious clashes there since the Korean War in the 1950s.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    'And Mark Urban will be reporting on the artillery exchange between North and South Korea, one of the most serious clashes there since the Korean War in the 1950s.'

    Hopefully the 'reporting' when it transpires might make it seem a little less jolly hockey sticks jousting between two militaries kicking off equally, as I have gathered from news sources elsewhere that the N. Koreans pretty much kicked this off (again) and targeted a town with civilians in the firing line.

    Though running with 'artillery exchange' does, for now, serve some narrative, one is sure.


  • Comment number 2.

    Lord James of Blackheath gave a speech recently (1 Nov 2010)
    "Foundation X" The IRA, Laundering money, Bank of England, The British economy...

  • Comment number 3.

    torpedoing a warship would for most be an 'act of war'. But as there is no peace agreement then they are at war?

  • Comment number 4.

    Grief!The "competition" can't stand the fact Sky News is better.


  • Comment number 5.

    Britain does not deal well with terror cominng from within i'n the first place which may in fact be connected to not only Islammist but also the far right and far left ideology and organisations.

  • Comment number 6.

    When is a war not a war?

    For a while now I have been bemused by what serves as a declaration of... and/or act of...

    As, it seems, has just about every government, plus that bastion of effective peace-keeping, the UN.

    Anyhoo, the US media seems to know stuff we don't:



    Though, frankly, even here the more than one dead marines (as I regret to learn) might deserve better than to see the event that resulted in their lives being sacrificed described as a 'skirmish', especially by a bunch of armchair experts now being wheeled out to pontificate on the nuances of sabre-rattling.

    as this evolves, I at least now know where I won't rely on to learn much of value.

  • Comment number 7.

    North Korea...always cold, horrible and now kicking off...prepare yourselves for plenty of ...running dogs...capitalist lackeys....hyenas in the press and the usual imperialists American junkies....

  • Comment number 8.

    LIGHT AND DARK

    I get the impression that a lot of things are coming into the light that the 'Real Power Wielders' must surely prefer hidden. I had been pondering the probability of some useful distractions when I heard of the MI6 explosions. What is next?

    Will thorn-in-the-side enquirers be found, routinely*, dead in UK, as they are in Russia?

    *Rather than the odd one.

  • Comment number 9.

  • Comment number 10.

    DARLING STILL GRACELESS

    Some radio-presenter chap was on Daily Politics asking Alistair Darling 'where did all the money go?' For some reason Darling 'replied' by answering a couple of other questions. Would that be because he did not understand a string of very simple English? Or would it be because he didn't want to say? Or would it be because he - along with all the other money wizards - HASN'T GOT A CLUE WHERE IT WENT?

  • Comment number 11.

    IS CHRIS GRAYLING THE NEW JACK STRAW?

    All the words are there. Better still, the aggravating Straw hesitation is absent. But where it the FEEL of the man? Why do I find the words inexorably forming in my head: "WE HAVE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE"?

  • Comment number 12.

    Ethnic cleansing by the Jews continues apace...

    Jewish settlers move into house after Israeli police evict Palestinian family

  • Comment number 13.

    IT'S NOT ALL BAD NEWS (#12)

    I heard Obama is going to give America back to the indigenes.

    The Malvina's, of course, are clearly still a part of Britain (even though we are now at the heart of Europe).

  • Comment number 14.

    I really had to look twice at this article.
    Katie Price is going to edit Radio 4's The Today Programme. Nuff said...

  • Comment number 15.

    12

    NN has plenty of regular muslim terror reports but nothing on asking the jnf patrons [blair, brown, cameron] how they square that patronage with human rights for all and nothing on why the govt do not ask israel for the names of british citizens serving in the israeli military so they can be prosecuted. Silence on crime/obstructing justice is the same as doing it?

    There are groups in the uk misleading british citizens by saying it is not a crime to join the idf. why no NN expose of who these spouting such stuff? Its also not illegal to raise money in the uk for illegal settlements.

    with institutional bias like that why should any boderline jihadi support uk society? such blatant state and media bias means there is no domestic hearts and minds strategy. Its all stick and bogeyman ranting by the yapparrazzi. The uk is spending at least 4 billion extra a year on internal security. the security level after 10 years is still severe. A trend that is unlikely to change for the foreseeable future.

    One would have to conclude the uk establishment is psychologically unable to be fair and just to all of its people when one section escapes serious crimes while another is persecuted? which is a defacto policy of apartheid? [which what the norman monarchy model is all about?]

  • Comment number 16.

  • Comment number 17.

    14

    will they have a sofa?

    if you look at the bbc trend for personalities rather than substance it make sense? Top Gear without any car reviews so why not news without any news but chit chat and vacant gossip about nothing? Mim heaven.

  • Comment number 18.

    interesting week on the bbc , first there was the rehashed john ware piece on panorama fed by policy exchange leading to the agenda of michael gove (yes that michael gove who was and still remains a very firm advocate of the iraq war).

    now on nn we have richard watson who takes some of his references from douglas murrays center for social cohesion and commentary from quilliam foundation (influenced by civitas).

    the problem with watsons report is that he nor his sources are able to provide any evidence that the person has fled to pakistan (though likely)or that he has involved in al qaeda activities.

    further there is no commentary on the lack of due process in the implementation of control orders (pretty much house arrest by another name)- and that it is not a surprise that a person would seek to abscond under the provisions.



  • Comment number 19.

    "with institutional bias like that why should any boderline jihadi support uk society? such blatant state and media bias means there is no domestic hearts and minds strategy. Its all stick and bogeyman ranting by the yapparrazzi. The uk is spending at least 4 billion extra a year on internal security. the security level after 10 years is still severe. A trend that is unlikely to change for the foreseeable future."

    there certainly appears to be quite a campaign, id say it was politically motivated.

    thompson is on record as saying that he believed that bbc was too far to the left so he wanted to remedy that issue.

    this i suppose we are to believe is his vision of impartial and unbiased .. it is all that i can think that allows bbc to source almost exclusively from neo con islamophic individuals, think tanks - organisations.


  • Comment number 20.

    Very interesting report by Richard tonight - good luck in trying to locate their missing son. Great analysis by Jeremy with Nawaz on radical Islamists, and the reasons behind mainstream teenagers suddenly changing their lives.
    I suspect the real reason for people enjoying Downton Abbey (and other period dramas - apart from good writing) is partially nostalgia and escapism to the past. Great discussion.
    As always, Marks graphics are fab.

  • Comment number 21.

    I HOPE YOU WERE MOVED BY THE MOOD MUSIC - IT GOES WITH SOFA-MEDIA (#17)

    The extremism package was part-backed by 'Murder Mystery and Suspense' style mood music - just in case we missed the import (threat to life and limb - 'severe').

    I find myself pondering the parallel of young men who 'ran away to sea', featured in folk songs. I suppose they would be 'brainwashed' by pegleg-ed old salts in the local tavern. But I suspect the underlying hormone driven restlessness was the same.

    Yo ho ho and a nice glass of tea.

  • Comment number 22.

    Ö÷²¥´óÐã - BIG BAD CARBON

    The Big Bad Carbon bandwagon rolled without brakes again, on the Today Programme. No mention of the extent to which it is now discredited.

    And a pro-BBO (Bright Boy Obama) preacher, with a book out, explained how that good man had been unlucky. Not a word of his OTT overselling with the empty slogan: YES WE CAN!

    High time we got that 'New Heaven and New Earth'. This one's about had it.

  • Comment number 23.

    22

    you won't like this then barry



    the first news story has the word 'victims'

    i think one has to wear special clothes and have a pop star lifestyle to believe that site

  • Comment number 24.

    NN still not on iplayer?

  • Comment number 25.

    THE CLEGG PROTOCOL APPLIES (#23)

    The word 'protocol' is also used jaunty. I guess the wind changed . . .

  • Comment number 26.

  • Comment number 27.

    Not so worried about NN on iplayer (I imagine though it is the Ö÷²¥´óÐã rather than NN itself that makes decisions/actions on timings). Of course, being live and potentially open to dispute, I also suspect there may be need for legal/taste police to skim through just in case Jeremy et al have inadvertently 'dissed' someone's creed or culture or let an unapologetic buggrit slip through the net.

    I am interested to know what may be on tonight's Smorgasbord since it looks we will be snowed in.

    Perhaps the two ronnies aka Wood Lane (geddit?) is also.

  • Comment number 28.

    Why do we like Period dramas?

    because the norman monarchy system has a deep hold on the mind enforced as it is by law and habit. It is a system of apartheid. A system that exist everywhere in uk society. Monarchy gives rise to a language of apartheid that leads to structures of apartheid.

    people have been brainwashed to believe its normal to know 'their place'.

  • Comment number 29.

    "Very interesting report by Richard tonight - good luck in trying to locate their missing son. Great analysis by Jeremy with Nawaz on radical Islamists, and the reasons behind mainstream teenagers suddenly changing their lives."

    nothing beats being fed and watered with ones favorite foods.

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