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Good Evening All, shiny new blog!

yay!! New blog!

OOh. Pretty.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We're tonight's entertainment!

The Dark Knight quotes aside, let's see about this. The vampire of the trinity leaves the trinity, is what I can make out.

Three people will arrive. And Five will make up the group to meet them. One will surround the trinity.

yayy i wish i knew what it ment i will be back laters to see what u think :)

hi there, I have the feeling that this scroll must be connected with all the fairy tales shown so far, all of them with the big bad wolf theme- red little riding hood, the three little pigs.. what other fairy tales have wolfs?

And-- we're off. Ok I have a lead on the pointy sandtimer thing....
I think it means 'day' or 'in the days of'. Same image , some of them tiny, feature in other scrolls already posted.
Sooooooo- at a stretch could the top left mean something like "In the days of the vampires' ?

Oh yesss Scrolls! Let's play.

But SFX have a new poll up - 'shexxxxy' and here is the link:



I voted for Hal, Mitchell and Tom. Thanks SFX x

No Idea :)

9. I went for Annie, and two others :) Being Human should win this!

Did you know that today is Damien Molony's birthday?

And Alan Rickman's.

13 - I lurrrrve Alan Rickman. Happy Birthday Alam (sure he is reading this blog).

Thanx Manc i voted are Being Human boys, Hal, Tom, Mitchell

9 - Thanks for the link Manc. Funnily enough, I've gone with your choice too - in no particular order. They are up against the likes of Spock from Star Trek jeez - if they don't beat him there is something amiss. Right Rebecca - you're up - back in a bit.

Vampire - with weird sign
place of death
dots around a niple
three body and legs only stick men
and Death chart again.

going off to think

@Ewan- see my post 8 on weird sign with vampire. I had an idea. :)

I think the symbol on the top right could mean death of a supernatural trinity cus it looks like a gravestone/that other symbol for death. Top left clear enough something about vampires ... dang I'd love to crack this!

9 .Ooh thanks for the link to that poll - I voted Hal ,Mitchell and Nathan from Misfits! I think it's a coincidence they're all Irish, either that or I have a wierd kind of hidden streak of national pride...!?

17 - Trust you to notice the dots around a niple Ewan! :-)

8 - You're right. There are loads of the things around - I just didn't know what they meant. Have we been told that is the meaning or have you put it together from other information (sometimes I feel so slow on these clues I really do)?

@20 Sasha and @17 Ewan- found this exact rune on a website and close translation meant day or in days of. I also think the right angle bit is the container ship!

19 - Are you by any chance Irish then oarelle? :-)
I come from Being Human myself. Hasn't actually been recognised as a country yet but it's only a matter of time....... :-)

18 -17 4 - yes agree - 'the vampire of the vampires* (maybe) leaves the trinity (maybe not) OR in the days of the vampires but how and why?

Need evidence as to why if so guys... Robin (5) great idea - but how do you see that in the scroll? Just say what you think...

The gravestone shape means a house, remember - with the baby in it, it's "The house the Child was born in", so this is "The Trinity's house".

Hourglass on vampire symbol could be "Age of the vampires".

"Each one of the eight scrolls tells a chapter of an overall story not unrelated to, but neither impacting upon The War Child." hmmm - could be Hal's past? Mitchell's? Cutler's? Wyndham's?

21 - You are a spy aren't you?! Well done you! Great, think that's a taken then. Right - hightlights that on the lists of meanings that I've got (don't you dare say I don't have a RL, I honestly do :-)

@23 MancVamp see post 21 :) vampire + pointy sandtimer thing together. This symbol has been on all the other scrolls but sometimes really tiny or sideways, half hidden.

24 - Yeah but the trinity sign is a triangle - the sign within the sign for house is the death of vampires sign. So is this the house where the vampires die - or the house where the death of vampires originates from?

@25 Sasha I've got a notebook for mine *backs away slowly to nerd corner*

No, the Trinity symbol is the pyramid (which can also mean Africa).
Of course, if I'm wrong and it does say "house of vampire death", we're probably reading Mitchell's story.

21 - Real Mitchell linkie RM pleaassse!

22- Sasha ROFL! *and slurps mojiito*


24 a0k - yes, that's clever. I think hourglass could just be 'time' or 'past time' Something that happened some time ago.

Ok - sorry but all I see in the symbol at the bottom on the left is three pitchforks. That's all. :/

Ewan -don't think I didn't see you there at 100 on last blog!

How many OOs have been mentioned in eps so far?- Mr Snow, Hal, Wyndham... any more?

@30 Manc

28 - You can't back into the nerd corner. I've already taken that spot. You can sit on my knee if you like. I don't bite - honest :-)

32 - got it - thanks RM!

29 - No, you are correct. The triangle means either Africa or supernatural trinity. But when it looks like a pyramid - that means death of the vampires. I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

22 - well you see I have double citizenship in Ireland and Being Human so you're obviously just missing some paperwork. :D

24 - oh yeah I forgot it meant the trinity household. And yeah I think this story must be about some important figure in the War Child fiasco! So maybe Hal - have any of you read this interview with the Birthday Boy Damien Molony?



I think it's quite revealing - takes a lot of the mystery out of Kirby's role in the next episode and major clues in the way DM talks about Hal in the future...

31 Fergus mentions "Jacob" in the little 1855 flashback

"Each one of the eight scrolls tells a chapter of an overall story not unrelated to, but neither impacting upon The War Child." Hum, leap of imagination following all you lovely people posts> In the old time of the vampires, an old one arose from this tomb and.... that's it. Cannot connect with the rest of symbols

In the 1855 flashback didnt Fergus say everyone including Wyhdam was scared of Hal? yet Hal is only half Wyndys age.... why?

Can someone else tell me whether I'm mixing up the triangle and the pyramid?

Soooo- if there are potentially 4 OOs there are always 4 lines (coffins)? on the right angle thingy. Anyone?

41 - Jeez - you are right RM - superb. The last time we had that there were four lines - I remember because I tried to make send of them but couldn't.

39 - good question. Fergus only said enough to leave me assuming they were afraid of him just because of how ferocious he was "pretty girls bring out the beast in him". BBut still, I can't help thinking there MUST be more to it because surely all the Old Ones have fairly strong stomachs and are quite fierce themselves! And we need to seethe story behind how Hal is a "Lord"

42 - I actually tried to make sense of them not send!

Hello I'm new! :) been a lurker for a while though:)
Um was just thinking maybe this is about Ivan?
There's the gravestone with death symbol in- maybe House of death- funeral place
Wasn't the three backwards h type symbol thing fire in the past?
And daeg the pointy hourglass over vamp symbol- maybe dawn of/ new start of vamp....
So maybe talking of Ivan's death in fire at the funeral place.... And possibly his new 'dawn' or return?
No idea about odd graph symbol :) hmmm

OK - *falls to knees* no discussing Spoilers Posted in Links to Spoilers pllllleeeeaaaasssseeeee! Like surpises!

32 Ha! Well apart from the fact that the rune is called 'a dag' (aussie slang) yep see that now. The English translation to the runic poem was lovely and quite telling...

38 and others.. so an OO comes to call - well we knew that all along...

want to know about the 3 pitchforks.

*has another mojito and strokes BH passport lovingly*

And thats why I think the right angle thingy is the container ship, pointing to the house......

46 - Oh couldn't agree more Manc. OK to post spoilers with spoiler warnings but please dont give anything away. I do not read spoilers. I want to watch it as it happens not know about it two weeks before. Sorry about rant - wasn't really ranting it's just I love speculation on the blog and all the discussion that goes with it but I don't want to know facts or to have them discussed before they've been on screen. Thanks :-)

I knew folks would want a BH passport!

Mistress Rebecca- are we any warmer, or colder?

good evening friends

Manc, have you some mojito left?

Sasha, we have to be clear
when spoilers we write spoilers in capital letters and then the link and nothing else
so peeps who are interested can visit
so uninterested peeps can avoid

ok , scrolls
drum,

vampire over a diabolo shape, could be a timer
vampire starting a new cycle

three funny shapes: three men as in male

the house of death, well death in the runes of a house

thinking michaela journal must help in understanding the runes

death ... travelling ; is the shape a boat
coming in 4 or 5 weeks to destination?

@50 Saint see post 47 )

Im out of my depth here. I cant decipher these markings at all. When the second part of the scroll came online i thought you all had some source that you were looking at. Then I realised its cause you are brilliant being human fans.

But but but people. Flogging a dead horse possilbly but try this one for size;- we were told the pyramid was either the trinity or Africa as Robin pointed out the Pyramid with a line roud it could be 5 travelling, okay what if that pyramid means Africa (Siera Leone) and the symbol around is travelling and the vertical strokes mean the Old Ones as they are the most significant Vampires.

Probably rubbish theory but there you go.

Just read the SFX interview with Damien Molony, really sad Hal is losing the tweed and 50's haircut.

I am completely lost with the scrolls. But it seems to me that Eve saves the world whatever she does, either by living and fighting or by killing herself if she is 'the future woman', so probably the last scroll just tells her how and that's when she realises she has to go back. It also occurs to me that if Hal is a big bad in the future we saw, then him killing Eve would be doubly effective for the FW as not only would Eve be dead but Tom would have killed off Hal very quickly after that. If you pushed it, then by leading Hal to fall, baby Eve would again have 'saved the world'. But my brain is dizzy going in these circles.

Have already preordered Series 4 on Amazon so that once I know the end I can rewatch and laugh at how I missed it!

@52: I said the pyramid was Trinity, the "grave" shape is house, so this IS house of the Trinity surely?

54 I meant the other pyramid shape towards the bottom with the line running along the bottom and up one side with 2 lots of 2 vertical stripes. Also this pyramid has the inner lines at different points from the one in the grave shape :-)

@a0k666 The plain triangle means Supernatural Trinity or Africa. The other triangle with the three lines inside simply means Death. Death of what depends on what is around the symbol, for example on the War Child scroll the Vampire symbol was above Death which meant death of the vampires. But the symbol alone is just Death.

I think I'll have a little ponder over this new scroll for a bit!

53 - it is a good job I have become practised at just glazing over comments the minute I see a SPOILER!

53 - howlingblue Ha! But we are probably all wrong - it will be the one person that steps up to say - "wild guess but..." that will be on the nose!

47 - ok but lots of peeps said they thought that that symbol was the ship on the way from before - but I agee with you, as I agreed with them previously RM.

We know all this.

What about the pitchforks!

I've just watched Hal's prequel again and i'm thinking the Vampire symbol with the egg timer thingy could represent the end of a cycle. Hal tells Leo he can go '10, 30, 50 years' and each time he's worse. I think this scroll has Hal written all over it.

Please don't flay me if i'm wrong!

First scroll

Triangle : a supernatural trinity
Made of a vampire , we know that symbol
The moon with the symbol inside: werewolf
The tombstone with the cross inside : a ghost? Or the house of a ghost?

Missing the two shapes inside each other; it is not a WW sign, the tail is not raised like in the werewolf

Second scroll
Same symbol as scroll 3
A travelling death by sea, the waves, not time, no weeks, just that
Death travelling on the waves, death on a ship, is this death sign also a sign of the old one?
yes RM, posted belatedly because of green box, we all agree on the boat thing
and depending on the position death symbol can mean OO
Hence we have
A vampire
A werewolf
And a baby , yin yang, all in potential inside safely tucked in arms without head, ghost? As the body is in dots?

Third scroll
Death inside a house
Can’t see it being an OO. But noticed that the death inside the boat is having its left side vertical
Is it the symbol of an OO, ALMOST death symbol but orientated differently
OOs travelling in a boat toward said house
Vampire either changing cycle or being recycled???
Or the sand timer may be something else, AFTERLIFE SYMBOL???
Finally three symbols doing the same thing, united?
Three men, three humans!, three old ones; no
Three ‘something’ together
And a nipple with seven dots...
It must mean something
Three men? Hal, regus, tom??? Facing the OOs??? Or the menace???

57 oops sorry, I suppose because when I thought about it, in the first pictures released it shows him like that anyway it wasn't as spoilerish. I'll be more careful.

9- I voted the 3 A's. Luckily they were next to eachother! Alisha (misfits) Amy Pond & Annie.

As for the scroll........ :-S

@manc, Saint- my take on the boat is because of it being a container ship, and the 4 lines are coffins= OOs. Dont think that had been said before.

Mancvamp im glad you think that cause you lot that have been here for ages totally know your stuff and I dont. I was mashing the red button at the end of the episodes in case something came up.....it seems though that all the good stuff is up on the blog too right too.

Right my head is about to explode. I'm off to bed. Will be back in the morning and explain everything to you.....not. Sleep well, my friends :-)

Yup, me again- The 7 dots around the nipple-
Long shot, but.... George, Nina, Annie, Hal, Tom, Regus, Michela all protecting the baby?

Also I agree. NO SPOILERS please. I am very crazy about them. Like Sasha, I enjoy speculating, anything more and it totally ruins the show for me. I've just had to skip a lot of the above comments because I was worried about spoilers so I apologize if I repeat anyone.

+ We know from the War Child scroll that the grave shape with the little cross in meant "the house the child was born into", so I assume the grave shape alone might mean house? House of death? Eek.

+ The three shapes at the bottom. Well they're not the same as the other "people" shapes on the previous scrolls and I disagree that those meant woman because there was too many of them. So these must either be more specific (male or female), a type of person, or something else entirely.

+ Vampire with an egg timer type symbol? So perhaps a Vampire era? I'm leaning towards thinking that it might mean the creation of a vampire? When they turned.

+ I STILL have no idea on the Death graph thing. It's bothering me from the previous scroll too. Though I think I read someone on the other scroll suggest it meant the crossing over doors?

My current thoughts though are that this might be Herrick's story. House of death? The funeral home? Hmm.

(Sorry for the ramble, I am SO tired!)

if each episode give us a clues then could them dots represent humans population please dont beat me with sticks and tie me with ropes but twilight was clearly a theme and their vampires had wars in the south and they would fight over the places with the most dots ie humans more dots more able to feed and go unnoticeable and only the strongest of covens would win they also had there old ones just trying to make sense of it twilight might be a red herring but thought i would throw it out there

RM
could be coffins, could be sea waves

all depends if we get to see again the symbol with more or less 'waves/lines'
as for the three vertical shapes I think it is the fire symbol
and the boat symbol whether with or without the death symbol only has 4 lines

so proposal as follow for the war child scrolls

The war child first two scrolls
A supernatural trinity lived in the house of a ghost
A female werewolf got pregnant, female shape pregnant or WW with pregnancy rune
-baby inside
The baby was made during a full moon,
Unexplained 4 dots symbols along the side of the house where a ghost lived.
Unexplained small black timers shape Vampire above the death shape, the vampire died,
Then time elapsed... vertical infinity or ‘eight’ shape
No tattoo around the nipple
The boat symbol, no death or OO symbol inside
A boat leaving what? But empty???
The unexplained three shapes?
Could be the famous fire symbol???
A woman symbol, the woman ? the saviour? Eve?
The umbrella shape? The nemesis?
The symbol (SEEN AS =) an arm
As near the fire symbol?

Going back to FW's scrolls, the symbol in the middle above the second pregnant woman that looked like a circle made from loads of tiny lines, I mean last week I thought it was dominoes but I've just had two new ideas.
Could it
A. represent the sun, quite fitting on something that predicts death to all vampires.
or
B. represent an explosion, linking back to Tom and his bombs Plus the firearms/ burnt arm theory.
Most likely I'm completely wrong

Also agree with the four lines for the OO's

These scrolls are making my brain ache!

War child third scroll
The saviour will be a woman who will expect twins ?
The saviour will impregnate a woman with twins ?
Twins: double triangle , each with black circle ?
As in the original two vampires brothers? Were they twins?
Could they reincarnate? And come back?
Did they ever sell their soul to the devil at the first place?
Twins will become Gods?
Real saviour will be borne of a ghost?
Baby shape with the yin yang and black heart: circle inside?
With hands lifting him?
Ghost having ‘raised’? protected? Saved? The Saviour???

Ok I've apologised. But if ya'd just like to scroll up you will see what y'all think is so terribly spoilerish is actually pictured at the top of this blog. So unless you have a non-html web-page and are only reading the code and text, then you will all have seen it. I'm sorry, but I'm feeling a bit singled out here.

Rebecca, could you just remove my posts on this section of the blog please?

I think there were a few more clues in the last episode, it think the parchment Regus was using to explain the nemesis the second part of the War Child scroll though it's a bit difficult to tell which bits he's pointing at. I think that means the one with two circles in the left is the symbol for nemesis the three triangles in a row is fire (or burned) and the five short line going into one long line is arm. Though I'm not sure how that connects with the symbols here what would arm+death mean. Also if the hourglass type symbol does represent time then vampire+time could mean old one.

These scrolls are fun, but confusing. I've looked through the 3 ones posted on the blog and the one about the warchild in the first episode and also when Regus explains about the nemesis in the latest episode.
First of all I'm pretty sure that the 3 "upside down ys" above means fire. They appear on the scroll in episode one and when Regus explains the nemesis to annie in episode 3 he has a photocopy of the upper right part of that scroll. And when he talks about fire and it being past tense it looks, like it's these 3 "upside down ys" he's pointing to. Not sure which one he points to when he talks about the arm, it's either the line or the L-shape with four lines that also appears on this scroll. When he talks about the symbol for nemesis you can't see what he is pointing at, but it looks like he's making an 8 with his finger, so I'm guessing the symbol for nemesis is the 8-shape.
I thought in episode 2 when Hal was looking at the scroll that he was pointing at the 8 and saying it meant something that 's going to happen at some time, but now I'm thinking that maybe he was pointing at the big circle of runes going around the missing piece. If you look closely you can see that among other symbols the thing that looks like a timeglass appears over and over again among these small runes. I'm thinking if that means time it could, in combination with the other runes mean times to come.

So above I would say we have vampires and something to do with time, I liked the suggestion time of the vampires. Then have the house someone dies in, cause if the gravestone with a cross in it means the house the baby is born into, then logically the gravestone with the symbol for death should mean the house where someone dies. Then we've got fire, thinking it could be in present tense, as the "upside down ys" are the same size, the ones on the original scroll that Regus points at gets, if you read them left to right, bigger and bigger. So I'm thinking that small to big would mean past tense, equal size would mean present tense and big to small would mean future tense. The last symbol on the above scroll looks like the death symbol with the L-shape with for lines. But as the symbol we know means death is an upside down three-dimensional pyramid and this one is the otherway around it could mean something else. Even if I said before that it could be the L-shape that Regus said means arm, I do think he's pointing at the other symbol, so don't know what the L-shape would mean.

So that's what I think about the symbols, not sure what the story would be though.

72 I apologize if you feel singled out, I honestly didn't see the post or who posted it because I skim-read from the bottom up so my post wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I actually assumed it was a full discussion between several people (why I skipped a lot of posts!) so it was more of a general reminder to everyone (because I know some of us do read spoilers and I constantly worry something might slip out!). So worry not! :)

@sarasalian
a new vampire was born or a vampire started a new cycle ,
he was living in a house where death had stricken
inside that house, fire was being prepared
menacing?
the old ones travelling by sea who were heading toward the house?

ok
first scroll on the blog

there was a trinity made of a ghost, gravestone with cross, a vampire and a werewolf
and unexplained symbol
which was broken???

second scroll
there was a vampire, a werewolf and a ghost who was taking care of a baby while the OOs were travelling by boat to meet them?

75 House where someone dies does make more logical sense! I worry a bit that since it's the symbol of Death in that one that it's a bit too generic in comparison though. I mean the previous one had the little cross and that specifically meant "house the child was born into". So we have death in a house, but death of what?

74/75 so the lines mean fire? I haven't had a chance to go back to that part and rewatch yet (I like to keep notes of the symbols) so I like that you already have! And the other one means arm?

Soooo does this mean we're back to Ivan then? Since this scroll isn't impacting on the War Child we can't be repeating the story of the nemesis. Might explain why he got a little mention in this week's episode? To get our noodles working! In which case the house of death symbol (funeral home) makes as much sense as house where someone dies, since he died in the basement of that building.

74. Okay, been thinking a little about the arm and death. Sarasalian mentioned that the Death symbol is upside down so it could mean something a little different.

Perhaps it's more of an intent of death? The arm is the means. So, someone kills...? By fire? I realise I am making this fit Ivan, but arm and death to me is saying an arm that deals death.

@ Saintixe56
That would mean it's about Hal wouldn't it?
If it's about Hal I do have an alternative idea for scroll one. Do we know where Hal's prequel takes place? Where he and Leo first meet? Some people have suggested that Leo has an african accent. So what if at the first scroll the triangle stands for Africa? The unexplained symbol looks like two humans, so could mean friendship. So the story of the first scroll could be:
In Africa a friendship starts between a werewolf and a vampire and a new house is "born" (I know Regus says it means the house the child is born into, but if the symbols just means birth and house maybe it could also refer to the start/"birth" of a new house?)

It's possible the arm and death symbol could mean future Eve? She is strength in death, and perhaps the symbol is inverted because she is out of time, she is future death acting in the present. I think I'm a bit fixated on how future Eve is depicted and where that fits in, because she reacts to the last scroll so immediately that there must be a very obvious reference to her.

@Min, I love if it was about Ivan, as that might mean we'd get to see him again! But sadly I don't think he would be important enough for the first vampires to dream about him.

The story would have to be about someone with an great impact on the history of vampires for it to be part of their mythology, wouldn't it?

82. Yes I agree. Though it's known that the scroll is about the War Child. Perhaps (if she is future Eve), it's what she's heard people call her all her life so she would know it was about her? Though, if I remember rightly, the baby in the third part of that scroll wasn't a human baby (different symbol inside), quite what this means for baby Eve and Future Lady, I don't know!

83 Well, they say that these scrolls, these Legends, tell "a chapter of an overall story not unrelated to, but neither impacting upon The War Child". So these dreams could just be sign posts. Random events that act as warnings of what is coming? In which case they could be of anything.

evening blog, mods, Miss Rebecca:

apologies if someone has already said this, but....

@8 RM - days of vampires - could it be The Age of Vampires that Wyndam said had arrived?

Perhaps all the scrolls simply tell of when the fighting will begin, when the vampires will try to take over, and therefore no real impact on the child.

But we also have: All vampires die ........both Regus and Hal confirmed this.

So perhaps just the tale of the vampires' actions, and when they should begin their quest to take over...and Eve actually has nothing to do with it?

but then, why does Future Girl have to come back to "kill that baby" - and are we sure she was referring to Eve?

....something to ponder....

must be off - tough to ponder and consider without coffee (huge fan, you know), and its too late for coffee....

for the morning shift - to assist with the analysis:
leaving coffee, tea (Annie's not Pearl's), milk, sugar, tap water

@Manc - and a few key lime danish to go with....

'night blog.

Hello,

I think a lot of hints can be taken from Regus and Annie's scene on Sunday. Go back and watch the bit about the man with a burnt arm and look at this:



It has the three stick symbol on it (he's looking at the original scroll) and I'm sure he points at it to explain what it means.

Caught up on ALL the posts (mostly)

So confirm for me did anyone comment on the fact that interesting thing the symbol on the bottom of Vampire is similar to the infinity symbol only with straight lines.

@EWAN
YES
I , among a few others, did comment on the 'standing infinite' symbol and some of us believe it is the symbol of the future , but it is debatable

It could refer to the oldest Vampire.

@EWAN
SORRY
did misread your comment
the vampire with infinite sand timer was read
as- new vampire being born or vampire entering new cycle but not oldest vampire so far but could be construed as that indeed
problem is that mistress denton does not say when one answer is right, we shall spare her the numerous entries which are plainly wrong

Argh! Have just realised whilst at work (!) looking at my calendar that the final episode of Being Human will be on Sun 25th? I will be on a plane to Oz that day and won't be back for 3 weeks! Don't think the family would be too happy with me if I attempt to try and find a means of watching this somewhere down under! Means I will miss the finale of Series 4 and will not know the outcome until I return !!! Oh well, something to look forward to on my return but will I be able to supress the longing to look at the blog which will inevitably "spoil" the outcome?! Bah poohsticks :(

How many blogs have I missed?! I'll just get a coffee...Mods, do you want anything, paracetamol, Nurofen? I'll just sit in the corner quietly...

Nice to know someone else's fingers slip when typing, Mistress Rebecca...good morning!

Unless that was a clue? Ow there goes the head again...The chemist is getting worried about the amount of headache remedies required by this blog...

That means one of two things.

Clues seperate from the scrolls that will guide us to the true meaning.

or

We keep on going after getting the clue so very nearly right, then we've gone in the wrong direction and need to be directed back.

Oooohhh clues...... clues

Panda, clues coming... well as long as they do not hail from South America
we are ready

Ewan, it will be you or Saint that is closest, I'll bet this lovely apple danish, that I really shouldn't have near a computer...